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Postby anna62 on Tue 15 May, 2007 7:31 pm

210 euros pour une place ? Andrea sélectionne son public selon un critère bien peu populaire ! Ces prix semblent quand même exagérés : n'oublions pas qu'il n'y a pas de location de salle !
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Postby carolina1954 on Tue 15 May, 2007 9:27 pm

I think 210 euros is outrageous when you can go to any theatre in Italy for far less than that.
Does any know why these prices are so high ?
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Postby vikiLajatico on Tue 15 May, 2007 10:05 pm

Hello again

last year it was 160 euro more or less, but this year they will put 2 tribunes, these are the most expensive places I think. It is not really true, that in Italy we just go a theatre if we want to see Andrea, he gives more concert abroad then at home. This year it is going to be more pop music (last year it was classical) and the BBC want to regsiter a film as well - it must be greater than last summer! I think they change the big blue head of Igor Mitoraj in the small lake as well.
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Postby Francesca on Tue 15 May, 2007 10:07 pm

150 euros l'année dernière, 210 cette année...

Quand on compare avec les prix pour un opéra entier en Italie : 40/50 euros (prix moyen aussi à Paris) .

Décidément ces concerts sont de plus en plus réservés à une certaine catégorie de public, et c'est bien regrettable.
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Postby Mysz on Wed 16 May, 2007 12:19 am

210 euros I will pay for Andrea Bocelli concert but not for the concert of mixed performers. I have my idol and he is the only one that matters to me.
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Postby Anne on Wed 16 May, 2007 6:42 am

carolina1954 wrote:I think 210 euros is outrageous when you can go to any theatre in Italy for far less than that.
Does any know why these prices are so high ?


Sure EUR 210,00 is much expensive, but for example two years ago for a Placido Domingo concert at the Waldbühne in Berlin you would have to pay up to EUR 350,00, and for the Rolling Stones concert here you will pay up to EUR 250,00.
Special events even have special prices!
Therefore in Lajatico you have cheaper prices for accommodation (I will pay EUR 30,00 per night) than for example in Florence.
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Postby anna62 on Wed 16 May, 2007 7:55 am

Quels que soient les changements apportés , ils ne justifient pas ces prix excessifs : pour ceux qui aiment Andrea , qu'importent les tribunes et la "nouvelle"statue au centre du plan d'eau ....Et je ne vois pas pourquoi nous supporterions les frais d'un enregistrement par une chaîne télé !
Les organisateurs ont-ils pensé à tous les gens aux revenus moyens - et ils sont nombreux- qui devront se contenter de voir Andrea de très très loin ??L'approcher devient un privilège de riche ...et c'est injuste et inadmissible ...
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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 8:11 am

Voir de loin est une expérience que je ne renouvellerai pas, c'est trop frustrant.

Il y a maintenant un public choisi : un public aux revenus élevés capable de s'offrir des voyages et de payer très cher une place, les autres restent sur le côté, surtout s'ils n'ont pas la chance d'avoir un concert dans leur propre pays.

Il faut regarder la réalité en face. Les organisateurs de spectacles profiteront de sa notoriété pour fixer la barre de plus en plus haut, et ce sera ainsi tant que les billets se vendront.

Mais peut-on m'expliquer pourquoi tant de différence entre un spectacle en plein air et un opéra avec décors, costumes, choristes et plusieurs solistes de renom ?
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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 8:53 am

Que dire de Barbra Streisand qui pour son concert à Paris offre les meilleures places à Bercy à 582 euros !!! (celles qui se vendaient déjà difficilement à 110 euros pour Andrea)

Cette dame se croit à Hollywood certainement. Avoir une si haute opinion de sa personne me laisse pantoise. :shock:

Heureusement il reste des artistes très populaires qui savent qu'il vaut mieux se montrer moins gourmand et être certain de vendre toutes les places plutôt que d'être obligé d'annuler avec tout ce que ça comporte.
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Postby anna62 on Wed 16 May, 2007 9:08 am

Comme tu dis : tant que les billets se vendront ...pourquoi donc hésiter à plumer les pigeons ???
Hélas pour moi ( et pour toi aussi , je suppose ) j'ai la malchance d'aimer Andrea ....trop cher désormais ! Il ne me reste plus qu'à attendre patiemment la sortie des CD ....ce qui ne remplacera jamais un contact direct !
Mais attention : à force de trop tirer sur la corde , elle finira par casser !
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Postby kaycarley on Wed 16 May, 2007 9:26 am

I agrree totally with the views expressed above. I am very sad to have missed what will almost certainlybe my only opportunity to see Andrea perform at Lajatico by just a few days but it does begin to seem that to to go there in future will be a privilege of the rich. I am sure that this is not what he would want.
If the date is going to change every year it will continue to be very difficult to arrange to be in Tuscany at the right time - at least for most of us.

If it was to be one set week every year this would be a great help. Even if the tickets were very expensive many fans ,I am sure, would be prepared to pay the price if they could be book their flights and accommodation well in advance to get the best deals and make the experience more affordable.
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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 9:57 am

"I am sure that this is not what he would want. "

Pas si sûr. N'a-t-il pas dit qu'il avait toujours le dernier mot ?


"If it was to be one set week every year this would be a great help. Even if the tickets were very expensive many fans ,I am sure, would be prepared to pay the price if they could be book their flights and accommodation well in advance to get the best deals and make the experience more affordable."

Certainement.
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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 10:02 am

anna62 wrote:Comme tu dis : tant que les billets se vendront ...pourquoi donc hésiter à plumer les pigeons ???
Hélas pour moi ( et pour toi aussi , je suppose ) j'ai la malchance d'aimer Andrea ....trop cher désormais ! Il ne me reste plus qu'à attendre patiemment la sortie des CD ....ce qui ne remplacera jamais un contact direct !
Mais attention : à force de trop tirer sur la corde , elle finira par casser !


Comme tu le dis c'est une malchance car nous pourrions être fans d'autres artistes qui ne nous poseraient aucun problème, à savoir qu'on les verrait souvent chez nous et à un prix abordable, mais voilà.......

sortie des CD ?? lesquels ? y aura-t-il encore des albums comme nous les aimons, ou seulement des opéras entiers ?
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Postby anna62 on Wed 16 May, 2007 10:31 am

"I am sure that this is not what he would want. "
....
Comme Francesca , je pense qu'Andrea a un regard sur tout ...et c'est désolant de constater le peu de prix qu'il attache à l'affection et à la présence de ses fans les moins fortunés !

7000 places cette année ? seront-elles toutes vendues ?
J'ai vu l'an dernier des gens , furieux d'avoir payé les places les plus chères , se retrouver derrière les immenses piliers destinés aux caméramen . Aucun plan de "salle" , aucune possiblité de choisir , une date qui pose problème pour ceux qui sont loin , des prix prohibitifs ....ça fait beaucoup !!
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Postby Anneloes ten Brink on Wed 16 May, 2007 10:31 am

I'm sad :( because I can't come to Lajatico!!! I 'm in Athens because of my work. I wish I hadn't have to go over there, so then I could go to Andrea!!

The date for the concert is published to late for me , otherwise I could have tried to change the dates of my duty's in Greece.

I hope very much he 'll have another concert at Lajatico next year!
And please :I want to know ererything about the concert. So I'm looking forward to all your reports!!!

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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 12:54 pm

Toutes les informations maintenant en format PDF :

http://www.fourone.it/bocelli.pdf

Invités d'exception (tous américains) - PBS sur place pour filmer - prix des places - et une nouveauté : VIP AREA avec une formule à....???25.000 euros .

Ecoeurement total.
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Postby anna62 on Wed 16 May, 2007 2:24 pm

Ecoeurement total ....et le mot est faible !!!
Où est passée la "simplicité" d'Andrea ???
Je comprends qu'avec 25000 euros, les "invités" repartent avec un cadeau ( un CD d'Andrea ) : c'est le moins qu'on puisse faire pour ces pauvres gens ! Quelle générosité !!
Au fait ? A-t-on pensé à ceux qui , peut-être , ont tout juste les moyens de s'offrir ...un CD ???
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Postby kaycarley on Wed 16 May, 2007 3:14 pm

In a strange way this makes me feel betterabout missing the concert but sad in other ways.
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Postby Francesca on Wed 16 May, 2007 4:50 pm

25.000 euros c'est le revenu de deux années de travail pour beaucoup, en Italie comme en France. Quel est le revenu moyen d'un habitant de Lajatico ?
Comment Andrea peut-il cautionner ce genre de pratique ?
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Postby Patrice Adams on Wed 16 May, 2007 6:04 pm

Carolina, what do you mean any theater in Italy, I am going in October so seeing a concert in a theater is great news for me. Do you know if there are accommodations in Lajatico or near by. And any advice or tips about traveling I would greatly appreciate tips from any fan :)
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Postby anna62 on Wed 16 May, 2007 6:04 pm

« In un’epoca in cui tutto è posticcio, falso e assordante, il Teatro del Silenzio si propone come l’alternativa per riportare alla luce quelli che sono i veri valori della nostra terra».
I veri valori ???? C'est à l'argent qu'il pense ????
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Postby kaycarley on Wed 16 May, 2007 7:22 pm

I suspect many of us who have been fans for years will feel some sense of sadness or disappointment even if we think it is inevitable that the concert in only its second year should have developed in this way.
On the other hand we have new fans like Patrice who just wants the opportunity to see Andrea in concert.I hope that she has this opportunity . I am sure someone will be able to supply the information she requires.

Just to google in Lajatico can be very informative. I am sure many fans can give her the benefit of their own personal experience.
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Postby LaCavallerizza on Wed 16 May, 2007 7:37 pm

Forse hanno fatto un errore? Sulla pagina intitolata "VIP area" è indicato che costa 25,000.00 per il pacchetto ma sulla pagina seguente c'è un listino dei prezzi che indica 250.00 per il VIP area.

Maybe there's a mistake? On the page entitled "VIP area" it states that it costs 25.000,00 for the package but on the next page there's a price list that indicates 250.00 for the VIP area.
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Postby janrdobbs on Wed 16 May, 2007 7:39 pm

Francesca wrote:25.000 euros c'est le revenu de deux années de travail pour beaucoup, en Italie comme en France. Quel est le revenu moyen d'un habitant de Lajatico ?
Comment Andrea peut-il cautionner ce genre de pratique ?


When I printed off the ' fourone' page of concert, it says VIP Euros 250 not Euros 25,000! (still pricey but....) Personally I've been waiting and waiting for this concert, couldnt make last years, so I'm going and I'm willing to pay for a good seat. It wasnt that much cheaper for good seats at his concert at Wembley last year and there wasnt the whole Tuscany experience then! So good luck to those who can go and sorry for those who can't.

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Postby westsiderny on Wed 16 May, 2007 8:20 pm

carolina1954 wrote:I think 210 euros is outrageous when you can go to any theatre in Italy for far less than that.
Does any know why these prices are so high ?


I don't think 210 euros is an outrageous price!!! Of course, you can go to any theatre in Italy or Mars for less than 210 Euro, but... will Andrea and all those wonderful stars announced, be there??? Stop complaining, people! If you cannot afford it... then, don't go, that's all!

This reminds me what happened not long ago. Someone in another forum (not a Bocelli one) was asking for help... A group of young musicians (high schoolers) from the USA was going to be in Venice, Italy and planned to perform while there. Three of them needed to rent 3 cellos there. Since the person in charge of this group didn't know how or where to direct the request, I volunteered to help, considering I have contacts there. I provided names and phone numbers, email addresses, etc. (after I consulted these contacts and they offered me to help). The person in charge of the group was telling me a bunch of problems, but what this person didn't tell me was that they wanted to pay no more than 30 Euro for each cello!!! And that this was the reason why nobody wanted to rent their expensive musical instruments to them... 30 Euro!!!

Hope you get the message... :wink:

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